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Air France / KLM Virtual Airlines Forums | AFVA Operations | Flightschedule AFV vs DVA

AFV179
Captain, A220-3(CSeries)

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 07:31 ET by Robert Vermeulen

HI

I noticed, AFV has a different flightschedule as DVA. For example i dont find Northwest airlines available (DVA has), i dont find AF Cargo flights into Casablanca with the 747 (DVA has). Also has AF 2 flights a day, to JNB, withthe 777. I dont find AF994 (DVA has) And many more... I always thought, AFV/DVA have same schedule, but AFV has much less flights available as the big sister DVA.

Other example:
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JAL001 Leg 1 B747-400 San Francisco CA (KSFO) to Tokyo-Narita Japan (RJAA) 12:45 PT 13:10 JST 0 5,117 mi
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JAL only flies to Japen, not from!

Another expml:

Also flighttimes between 2 destinations (in UTC) seem to be not possible. Look at this
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AF1696 Leg 1 A318 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to Casablanca Morocco (GMMN) 20:05 UTC 21:10 UTC 0 1,201 mi
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This flight of 1201 miles, just takes 01.05 hrs (65 minutes) of flighttime, wich is not possible ofcourse. Timeszones have no influence on UTC times.

Mayby the schedule is different, however i'v heard they are not, as well i always thought, the schedule is updated, automaticly, daily!

My final quest is: Is the AFV schedule so different as from her big sister?

Please feedback smile

Cheers

Robert Vermeulen

Captain, A220-3(CSeries)

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 10:38 ET by Caitlyn Champlin

We have a similar schedule, but not a carbon copy. We chose not to incorporate the Northwest schedule into our database, and we haven't gotten all of the cargo flights uploaded yet.

Our reason behind not integrating the Northwest schedule was to allow us to focus primarily on uropean routings, not on North America.

There are several discrepancies with the flight times in the schedule that I've been unable to figure out. I'm not sure if there's a bug in the system or if it has something to do with time zone shift. If you find one of these errors, please let me know.

Caitlyn Champlin

Senior Captain, B737-800

Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 13:51 ET by Robert Vermeulen

Hi Ryan

Thanks for your quick and clear answer. A few of those errors, i named in my posting above. When i find more, i'll post them inhere, if thats ok.

The only expereinces i made, is with the schedule of DVA. For me personal, its not important if we have NWA is our schedule, or not. Im mainly and only flying european orientated companies. In this case, AFR/KLM!!! And as you wrote above, thats the main reason, and its a valid reason for sure:)

With AF i flew often their cargoflights into deep Africa with the 747. Didnt found those flights here, only a few yet. But now i know the reason for that. Thats ok for me. Enough other flights to choose for the queen smile

Or the 33 and 34 series from the bus.

Now i'v got to hurry, for my nightshift (doc in a hospital)

Cheers!

PS: How do you see my sig? At my computers, its doubled, that means 2 sigs mixed up. How can i get a more personal sig, similar to the ones you have above? I know, in the past, Charly Azcue made them.

Robert Vermeulen

Captain, A220-3(CSeries)

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 14:08 ET by Luke Kolin

Which specific flight numbers are you having difficulty finding? The AF portions of the feed should be identical.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 14:21 ET by Robert Vermeulen

Hi Luke,

i cant look back anymore in DVA's schedule anymore to compare. For example, last week, when i was flying for DVA, i planned a flight into Casablance (MO) showed in the schedule with the 747. I believe, not sure anymore, it was FTTJ as departure airfield. Now i cant find any cargoflights at all into Casablanca. And so there are more flights not available in the schedule. A other example was a 3-legs flight into Madagascar with the cargo 744. And many more... Im very sorry, i cant remember the flt numbers... smile

However, as Ryan explained above. They haven't gotten all of the cargo flights uploaded yet!

Cheers!

Robert Vermeulen

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304 legs, 1,416.0 hours total
0 legs dispatched, 1.1 hours

Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 16:05 ET by Steve Orloff

Robert,

I am working on the Air France Cargo schedule. If you have any regularly scheduled Cargo routes, feel free to e-mail me. If the flight does not occur regularly, or is a special charter, please leave it out as I'm sure we won't see it that often.

You can get a signature by e-mail Andrew Kaufmann, or following the tutorial in the document library.

Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 16:36 ET by Luke Kolin

Here's what's in the two schedules:

mysql> select AIRLINE, COUNT(*) FROM SCHEDULE GROUP BY AIRLINE;
+---------+----------+
| AIRLINE | COUNT(*) |
+---------+----------+
| AF | 1691 |
| AM | 525 |
| AS | 654 |
| AT | 15 |
| AZ | 186 |
| CO | 1177 |
| CZ | 122 |
| DVA | 3774 |
| DVH | 2340 |
| JM | 40 |
| KE | 72 |
| KL | 617 |
| NW | 2396 |
| OK | 81 |
| QF | 18 |
+---------+----------+
15 rows in set (0.06 sec)

mysql> select AIRLINE, COUNT(*) FROM afv.SCHEDULE GROUP BY AIRLINE;
+---------+----------+
| AIRLINE | COUNT(*) |
+---------+----------+
| AF | 1716 |
| AT | 15 |
| AZ | 186 |
| DVA | 3766 |
| JAL | 3 |
| KL | 617 |
| OK | 81 |
| QF | 18 |
+---------+----------+
8 rows in set (0.13 sec)

If anything, the AFV schedule has *more* AF flights than DVA's.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 19:20 ET by Robert Vermeulen

@ Luke

Thanks for this usefull info. I see, AFV offers more AF flights. Good to see that smile

@ Steve

There are several regulary cargo flights for AFR. I'll will work things out and mail the results to you, and ofcourse, just and only regulary flights. You wil be amazed in wich corners of the planet, you can expect some AF cargoflights around smile

I take my info from the skyteam- and AFR/KLM cargo website.

http://www.skyteamcargo.com/en/

http://www.af-klm.com/cargo/b2b/wps/portal/b2b

Cheers!

Robert Vermeulen

Captain, A220-3(CSeries)

Posted onPost created on May 06 2009 22:43 ET by Robert Vermeulen

Luke,

I checked my personal totals of flights i'v flown via DVA. 2 examples of flightnumbers, i can give are AF6570, and AF6502, both from CDG to TNR (Madagascar) Regulary flights (weekly) with 2 stops enroute. And via other airports, 2 or 3 stops, again back to Paris. I flew those flights via DVA's schedule, and planned a 4 or 5 leg tour from and back to CDG. Additionally TNR is served by a regular passengers flight of AFR. An another example is the AF6575 from NDJ to CMN. Also a multi-leg flight. And there are many more. Both schedules are not identical. At, least, not related to AFR cargo. I guess, you mean with regulary pax flights?

Kind regards

Robert Vermeulen

Captain, A220-3(CSeries)

Posted onPost created on May 07 2009 00:55 ET by Caitlyn Champlin

AF/KLM Cargo are operating on a separate timetable than the one used for passenger service. I located your flight AF6570 in the cargo timetable - it is a Saturday-only service to TNR. It it not listed in the passenger schedule, however.

CDG 14:35 TNR 04:00+1 MD059 MD 763 12:25
CDG 10:40 TNR 22:20 AF908 AF 343 10:40
CDG 21:40 TNR 16:15+1 AF6570 AF 74Y 17:35
CDG 17:00 TNR 04:55+1 MD051 MD 763 10:55
CDG 22:10 TNR 16:30+1 AF6502 AF 74Y 17:20

Being that the passenger and cargo flights are in separate schedules, I'm making a semi-educated quess that we're not receiving routine updates from Innovata regarding the cargo carriers.

http://www.af-klm.com/cargo/b2b/wps/portal/b2b/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4o3dAyzBMmB2GZGAfqRmIL-WASNvZAEfT3yc1P1g4CSkeZAMSOjYF99b_0A_YLc0NCIck9HAO_4VDI!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvd0ZNQUFzQUsvNElVRS82XzJfMUFWOQ!!

Caitlyn Champlin

Senior Captain, B737-800

Posted onPost created on May 07 2009 05:50 ET by Robert Vermeulen

Great info Ryan, because i was thinking exactly the same...

By the way, what i saw just before. Suddenly, all the flights i ment, at least, a lot of them are in the schedule now. For example yesterday i didnt find AF6575 leg 1&2 LAGOS-CASABLANCA-PARIS And now its there.

And thats exactly whats make the difference bewteen an ordinary VA, and an ultimate VA. The as-real-as-it-gets schedule, as we have here at AFV/DVA I like so much, to fly flights as flown i real. Welll...voila!!!

Thanks for that smile

Robert Vermeulen

Captain, A220-3(CSeries)

Posted onPost created on May 07 2009 06:51 ET by Caitlyn Champlin

Enjoy your flight.

Caitlyn Champlin

Senior Captain, B737-800

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