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Posted onPost created on October 01 2010 20:35 ET by Matt Scott

I notice that the Air France Cargo 777-200(F) and 747-400(F) flights that were previously in the timetable appear to have disappeared. Searching the schedule turns up only the passenger flights. The Cargo flights, typically AF6XXX, are gone. I'm aware that I can fly the regular routes with cargo aircraft, but the dedicated cargo routes were interesting, multi-stop trips. Can these routes still be flown? Where can I find more information?

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Matt Scott

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Posted onPost created on October 02 2010 08:13 ET by Steve Orloff

The problem with compiling Cargo timetables is they aren't readily available. Your best bet, and how I mapped out some of the routes, is to head on over to airliners.net or jetphotos.net, search photos of the cargo aircraft, and see which airports they are going to. The routes are definitely in our database, it's just hard to track down which ones are done with a -400, and which ones are done with a -400ERF.

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Posted onPost created on October 02 2010 10:52 ET by Matt Scott

I understand the difficulties in compiling Cargo timetables. If I look up the routes like you say, using a photo or tracking website, will my flight be approved?

Also, you say that the routes are in the database. When I search the schedule with Airline set to Air France and Equipment set to 747-400 I get this:

AF083 Leg 1 B747-400 San Francisco CA (KSFO) to Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) 15:30 PT 11:00 CET 0 4,844 nm
AF084 Leg 1 B747-400 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to San Francisco CA (KSFO) 10:40 CET 12:50 PT 0 4,844 nm
AF332 Leg 1 B747-400 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to Boston MA (KBOS) 13:40 CET 15:05 ET 0 2,991 nm
AF337 Leg 1 B747-400 Boston MA (KBOS) to Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) 17:40 ET 06:10 CET 0 2,991 nm
AF346 Leg 1 B747-400 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to Montreal-Dorval Canada (CYUL) 16:10 CET 17:30 ET 0 2,986 nm
AF347 Leg 1 B747-400 Montreal-Dorval Canada (CYUL) to Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) 19:50 ET 08:35 CET 0 2,986 nm
AF351 Leg 1 B747-400 Toronto ON Canada (CYYZ) to Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) 19:05 ET 08:25 CET 1 3,253 nm
AF356 Leg 1 B747-400 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to Toronto ON Canada (CYYZ) 13:35 CET 15:45 ET 0 3,253 nm
AF442 Leg 1 B747-400 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to Rio de Janeiro Brazil (SBGL) 23:20 CET 05:20 BT 0 4,964 nm
AF443 Leg 1 B747-400 Rio de Janeiro Brazil (SBGL) to Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) 16:20 BT 08:00 CET 0 4,964 nm
AF681 Leg 1 B747-400 Atlanta GA (KATL) to Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) 17:50 ET 08:10 CET 0 3,813 nm
AF682 Leg 1 B747-400 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to Atlanta GA (KATL) 10:40 CET 14:05 ET 0 3,813 nm
AF3534 Leg 1 B747-400 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to Havana Cuba (MUHA) 13:55 CET 17:40 ET 0 4,185 nm
AF3539 Leg 1 B747-400 Havana Cuba (MUHA) to Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) 20:20 ET 11:15 CET 0 4,185 nm
AF3592 Leg 1 B747-400 Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) to Mauritius (FIMP) 16:15 CET 05:20 SYCHT 0 5,106 nm
AF3593 Leg 1 B747-400 Mauritius (FIMP) to Paris-De Gaulle France (LFPG) 08:00 SYCHT 17:15 CET 0 5,106 nm

These all appear to be passenger flights. Before, when I searched, I would get a variety of flights in the AF6XXX range. Same with the 777-200. When I search using the 747-400ERF, it turns up blank. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

Thanks again for the help. I really appreciate the water cooler.

Matt Scott

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Posted onPost created on October 02 2010 16:18 ET by Robert Taylor AF

Its being dealt with as I type this...

Will be added bit by bit....

The thing you need to know about Cargo Flights is they change more often than Passenger flights due to demand, they may miss out a stop but add a new one...also they may only run on a bi-weekly rota EG every 2-weeks....

Also dont forget....ALL Passenger flights carry CARGO so technically any flight you do in our schedule is a Combi Flight just not a Pure Freighter... Some Aircraft may leave Paris on a Monday and may not return back to Paris till say a thursday or Friday hence the schedules being few and far between...

Just watch this space...I'll announce it when they are ready for our Pilots to fly...

I'm also doing the KLM Cargo Flights as we move closer to an intergrated Air France-KLM Operation to mirror our Real World counterpart (though between us were better LOL)

I'll keep in touch

Robert Taylor (AFV262)
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Posted onPost created on October 02 2010 17:09 ET by Robert Taylor AF

To add further to my above post....

The following are destinations served by Air France Cargo...

Africa:
Douala, Bangui, N'Djamena, Brazzaville, Pointe-Noire, Djibouti, Nairobi, Antananarivo, Saint-Denis, Algiers, Cairo, Tripoli, Nouakchott, Casablanca, Tunis, Ouagadougou, Bamako, Naimey, Port Harcourt.

Central America:
Guadalajara, Mexico City.

North America:
Chicago, Houston.

Middle East:
Bahrain, Kuwait City, Dammam, Jeddah, Dubai.

Asia:
Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo.

Europe:
Dublin, Porto, Istanbul, Prestwick.

Hope this helps

Robert Taylor AF (AFV262)

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