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Posted onPost created on November 05 2011 05:41 ET by Phillip Brown

I'm planing on using concorde on a Cario to Athens and i'm intending on mach 1.0+ with all the small Greek and Italian Islands during desent Which i will probley be still supersonic, will my preip get rejected for it? or do i have to divert around everysingle Island i wll pass over?

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Posted onPost created on November 05 2011 14:05 ET by Mark Stead

I've checked your route, to me about 600nm seems to be too short to go supersonic with Concorde, and there's a lot of closeby mainland that could get your pirep rejected for flying supersonic-you have to be 10nm from any mainland,over sea, to go supersonic as per FAA rules-you'll also not have much supersonic time, as you need to be above FL350 to do that, about FL400 or so, so approx supersonic cruise in this case would be about 100nm before you have to go subsonic and descend-you also would have to modify your flightplan to go via EGOSO, where there are less islands to pass over, and you still run the risk of a pirep rejection, the safest bet with you is to fly subsonic-up to 0.96 Mach at about FL400, otherwise make a helpdesk issue to get permission to go supersonic, I'm not sure if you'll be allowed though, because that would be a violation of FAA rules.

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Posted onPost created on November 05 2011 17:04 ET by Roger Taylor

If any part of your route crosses populated area and your supersonic then yes your flight will be rejected as per the NOTAM we have.

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Posted onPost created on November 05 2011 18:23 ET by Phillip Brown

Mark Stead wrote:

I've checked your route, to me about 600nm seems to be too short to go supersonic with Concorde, and there's a lot of closeby mainland that could get your pirep rejected for flying supersonic-you have to be 10nm from any mainland,over sea, to go supersonic as per FAA rules-you'll also not have much supersonic time, as you need to be above FL350 to do that, about FL400 or so, so approx supersonic cruise in this case would be about 100nm before you have to go subsonic and descend-you also would have to modify your flightplan to go via EGOSO, where there are less islands to pass over, and you still run the risk of a pirep rejection, the safest bet with you is to fly subsonic-up to 0.96 Mach at about FL400, otherwise make a helpdesk issue to get permission to go supersonic, I'm not sure if you'll be allowed though, because that would be a violation of FAA rules.

The FAA Rules do Not Apply to another Sovereign nation Like Egypt or Greece.

Sorry i just get really annoyed when people think that FAA rules apply to everyone when they don't.

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Posted onPost created on November 06 2011 20:29 ET by Steve Orloff

No, but JAA rules do apply over there wink

Posted onPost created on November 06 2011 22:04 ET by Phillip Brown

I know

Just pointing out that the Whole FL400 tbhing and Violation of FAA rules don't apply here as i'm flying in Greece not the US

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Posted onPost created on November 10 2011 13:25 ET by Mark Stead

Phillip-for your information I nearly had a Concorde Pirep rejected for flying accidentally over part of Portugal at supersonic speed, I was lucky it got approved after it was initially held,so I have had first-hand experience at what happens if... I apologise for upsetting you re: FAA rules, these are just part of the rules that apply, we also have a standing NOTAM that does not allow supersonic flight in certain conditions-like I said, if you want to go supersonic, make a helpdesk issue about it, or fly subsonic at Mach .96- If I'm flying Concorde and I have any doubts about the supersonic aspect, I'll just fly subsonic. Again, my apologies for the FAA rules things etc-I did not intend to upset you in any way.

Posted onPost created on November 10 2011 16:47 ET by Phillip Brown

Sorry Mark Nothing Personal, just tried of having U.S Laws shoved down my throat, as for the flight i'll just go sub sonic or find a longer route.

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